Rebecca: I think for a lot of families, they worry about if they're gonna lose their connection to their culture, to their community, to their family. But for the parents who do the work, who are willing to get curious, who stay open, who find that support, they discover that there's nothing to fear in their child's truth. That there's actually more joy, more honesty, more connection. And the transition is an invitation for everyone in the family to like open their minds and, and kind of show up more fully.
Jess: Hello and welcome back to the Gender IQ Podcast. We took a break over the summer, had a nice relaxing couple of months after June, but we are back for season two, and I'm so excited to share this conversation with you today. So today I am interviewing Rebecca Minor. She's a practice owner of Prism Therapy Collective. And she's also the author of a new book, Raising Trans Kids: What to Expect When You Weren't Expecting This That is out today.
So Rebecca and I have worked together before, and I'm so excited that her book is finally out to the world and available for everyone. So this episode this week and next week will be part one and part two of a conversation with Rebecca about raising trans kids. So thanks for being here. And with that, let's just get right into the conversation
Jess: Well, I'm excited that you have a new book coming out. I've been excited to talk to you about this for a little while.
Rebecca: Yeah.
Jess: But tell the audience a little bit about who you are, what you do, and then let's get into this book.
Rebecca: Sure. So my name is Rebecca Minor. I use she, her, or they pronouns, and I am a licensed clinical social worker. I spend most of my time working as a gender specialist, which means I partner with queer and trans youth in their journey of becoming, and I'm a guide to their parents and families in affirming it.
I'm the founder of Prism Therapy Collective and I am also the author of Raising Trans Kids: What to Expect When You Weren't Expecting This, which is all about helping caregivers move from uncertainty and fear toward trust, connection, and pride in their children's stories. So, I'm psyched to get to talk to you about it today.
Jess: Yeah, absolutely. Well, tell me, like, I know the work that you do, so I can imagine some of the answers to this, but Rebecca, what made you wanna write this book and how is it different from the other books that are out there on this topic? Because I know some of my audience will have read or heard of at least some of those.
Rebecca: Absolutely. So really there were just so many conversations I found myself having over and over and over again with parents. Those early moments of confusion, what a lot of parents identify as grief, certainly fear, shame, and, and eventually this love and understanding. And I wanted something that could meet them right there in that in-between. A lot of the books that were out there and are wonderful books were either pretty heavily focused on activism or were in more clinical frameworks. So the language wasn't necessarily as relatable for parents. They were big hefty books and most parents would admit that they bought them, but they would just sit on their nightstand, um, and sometimes make them even feel like you're a bad parent for not cracking this open and reading it.
So I really wanted to create something that felt atta-, like manageable, attainable, right. Small and attainable goals of like, you don't need to read the whole book cover to cover, but you can look at the table of contents and see each chapters organized by a question that might keep parents or caregivers up at night.
So you can refer to the thing that's bringing you a lot of anxiety and just read that chapter. And each one is organized by kind of addressing the limiting beliefs that tend to show up. With accurate evidence based information. And then there's kind of like, if you, if you don't even wanna read the chapter, there's the like TLDR key points at the end.
Jess: Nice.
Rebecca: And, you know, some vocab and reflection questions to really sit with so that for parents who really want to do right by their kid, but don't know how to start.
Jess: Yeah.
Rebecca: Or really worry about saying the wrong thing. Like, I wanted them to have a soft place to land.
Jess: Okay. That's really a great offering. I know when we talked last, you did a really great job of kind of explaining what some of these moments look like in the clinical work. I'm imagining something that spurred you to write a book. Who is the parent that this is for? Can you picture like some of these parents in these moments? Who is this book perfect for?
Rebecca: Yeah. I'm just immediately a- a mom came to mind that that came to me. Really tearful feeling kind of devastated and, and at odds with her own feelings about it.
Jess: Mm-hmm.
Rebecca: Right? Like, "she was like, I think my kid is trans. I don't know what that means for our life. I love them. I want to show up for them and I also don't want this for them." Yeah. And that last part kind of quietly trailed off. It's like not a thing that's easy for parents to say out loud. I think, um, but what she didn't need was judgment. Right? She needed room to feel that it was okay for her to not grieve who her child is, but grieve the imagined future that she had created.
Jess: Mm-hmm.
Rebecca: And to then build a new one with her child. Yeah. And, you know, I got to see what was possible by the end of our work together. She was making t-shirts for Trans Day of Visibility and like, was the head of the moms group and like out there advocating and it wasn't that long before that that she had been tearful in the therapy space being like, "I don't know if I can do this."
And so to me it just highlights like so much of what parents need is is someone to say it's okay for you to be feeling all that you're feeling and you still need to show up for your kid and here's how.
It does feel hard to find a space where you can have that ambivalence and be seen Yeah.
In that ambivalence with empathy, with compassion.
Mm-hmm.
Because it can't be your kid who hold you in that space. No. And it shouldn't
be. It should not be. Please, please, please. Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think a lot of the resources out there, or like parent groups can feel very polarizing in that way sometimes of like, you're either like, I'm all in, I'm like the most affirming parent in the whole wide world.
Or maybe you're a bigot and there isn't like a safe right area in between where you can be in some of that ambivalence, fear, concern, while also holding love and affection for your child.
Yeah. Well I think so much of what may come across in the book comes in through the subtitle. I love this What to Expect when you weren't expecting this.
Mm-hmm. Tell me a little bit about what that phrase means to you and how it shapes the structure and the tone, or the version of, or the journey in the book.
Absolutely. So when I first came up with that subtitle, I was like really attached to it. And I was worried that mm-hmm. Any publisher I worked with would tell me I had to change it 'cause it was too long and it is kind of long.
But any parent I mention it to is like, oh my goodness. And it came to me because so many parents felt like they were thrown into a parenting path they didn't plan for. Right. Yeah. They'd say, I didn't expect this. I, I thought, I knew what I was doing and I would constantly find myself saying, you know, this wasn't in the books you read.
Yeah. Right. This wasn't in what to expect when you're expecting that chapter got left out.
It wasn't even an expect better
No.
Come on, Emily o
You know, and so it, to me, it, it shapes the book's tone. It's not prescriptive, it's not shaming. It's saying, you know, you didn't expect this, but now that you're here, how are we gonna show up with love and affirmation?
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think there was a review that's in the little blurb of the book on the Simon and Schuster's website that talks about, it says the description is, , helps families move past uncertainty and fear into pride, joy, and unconditional love. And I can't help but think of that as sort of a hero's journey or like fairytale.
So let's think about this fairytale. What are, what are the challenges they're gonna come across and meet? Who are the characters they come across in this journey from uncertainty towards pride and unconditional love?
I'm just thinking the hero's journey is really about letting go of control, and certainty, right? Yeah. And, and I think that's one of the things that's most challenging and can be really painful for parents, um, who feel like they should have all the answers. They want to have all the answers.
And I think a lot of the bumps along the way are, the, first of all, there's the glaring reality of our political landscape currently. Yeah. Um, which, like, it was one thing to be shocked and not prepared for your child's transition. And it's another thing to be experiencing that in 2025 when we have absolutely the terrifying amount of legislation that we currently have.
Mm-hmm. Um, so I think, you know, I see that as like a swamp. Mm-hmm. You need to get through. And, there are so many other challenges and, and, you know, hurdles, however picturesque you wanna make this Yeah. Storybook of. That you have to get across of communicating with your community. You know, especially if you're someone who's involved in a faith space.
I think for a lot of families, they worry about if they're gonna lose their connection to their culture, to their community, to their family. Mm-hmm. Um, if they won't affirm their child, what parent, what other people will think of them as a parent. Yeah. Um, there are all these possibilities for, for kind of pitfalls along the way, but there are also, people who are there to support other families going through this.
People who do the kind of work that we do. Other queer and trans people, ancestors, right, yeah. Who have lived through this, through far more challenging times or similar times in some terrifying ways. I think there's so much there, right?
But for the parents who do the work, who are willing to get curious, who stay open, who find that support, and those little, helpers along the journey, they discover that there's nothing to fear in their child's truth. That there's actually more joy, more honesty, more connection. And the transition is an invitation for everyone in the family to like open their minds and, and kind of show up more fully.
Uh, I feel like it'd be a nice pairing to have this in book club. And then the book club gets together to rewatch Finding Nemo.
Oh, yeah.
Right. Yeah. Like, talk about the hero's journey of a parent. Mm-hmm. With deep trauma, deep fear, and all the reason to want to cling their child as close as possible and not let them out into this increasingly terrifying
yes.
World.
Yeah.
But. There's no other option than to embrace uncertainty. Right. Though it, it's hard though, and you're a clinician, so I think we can dig into this a little bit. Sure. Some of these challenges that people come across that parents come across are usually have nothing to do with gender. Right.
They actually have nothing to do with not knowing the right information or not hearing the right information, but has to do with confronting their own stories, their own traumas, their own potentially mental health conditions or relational dynamics, relational traumas of their own. Mm-hmm. Tell me about those hurdles and how you've seen people get through them.
Yeah, I mean, I think that's, that to me is the glaring reason why when parents reach out and are like, I'm really looking for someone to see my kid. I'm always like, and what are you doing? Yeah. For support, like, are you in therapy? Are you processing any of this? Because. Yes, you can read articles and you can read books and you can learn some of the like factual things you need to learn to show up for your trans kid and understand, the elements of a medical transition, for example, but that won't heal your mom stuff or, you know, whatever relational traumas and care baggage you're bringing into this.
And so I think I, when I've seen the best kind of results or outcomes right, it's when it's when families are really doing their own work too. Yeah. Um, to really unpack and, and honestly, that's when I see we're really able to move the needle even around their acceptance when it comes to transness is through inviting them into a curiosity about the ways in which the binary really limits all of us.
Mm-hmm. And that clinging to that isn't serving anyone. Yeah. I know that's veering off a little bit from what you just asked, but I think some of the parental challenges here are that we, there are a lot of parents who see their children as an extension of themselves. Yeah. And when they haven't done the work to unpack some of their own stuff, that extension gets messy.
Yeah. And when their child doesn't look the way or act the way or sound the way or become the person that they imagined often from even in utero mm-hmm. That activates all that old stuff.
Yeah, absolutely. There are a lot of threads I know we can pull on from there. And I think that'll turn into a new question, but I'm actually curious to ask about this.
Kind of parallel process you're going through for the first time, really. Mm-hmm. Because you've done so much parent coaching, not being a parent, not having this experience.
Mm-hmm.
That's not the case right now. Right. So what are, tell us a little bit about that and how that's landing.
Yeah, so I mean, it's been a really interesting process in part because I had a long fertility journey.
Yeah. Um, and so I remember it was two years ago
we were talking about it.
Right, exactly. So it involved me actually taking a lot of the same medications that a lot of my clients take. And it got me really thinking a lot about, you know, the risks we take and. And so much of the parental fear and concern that gets brought up in coaching around like, well, how is this gonna harm them and what do we know about the long-term impact?
And yeah. And a lot of these parents also, some of them underwent fertility treatment and they didn't think for a second about taking estrogen or progesterone or any of the million things I ingested and injected through this process, Uhhuh, um, because they wanted to build a family. And so I think that's been a fascinating kind of parallel process of like, I'm in it.
Mm-hmm. I'm experiencing some of the complications of those things. Yeah. And also, the joy and the heartbreak and, and all of that to get to the goal of ultimately who I. Think I'm meant to be and want to be. Mm-hmm. Um, and how that's all a form of gender affirming care, right. In a way.
Mm-hmm. Um, so that's been fascinating. And then now, thinking more critically, I mean, I've been thinking about becoming a parent forever it feels like. But it certainly does shift some of these things as I have conversations with parents and, and over the years it's been an interesting point that's come up sometimes in coaching of, I'm sure of parents are like, well, do you even have kids?
And also thinking about, how I want to bring a child into this very gendered world and how I'm gonna navigate that. And choosing names and how to handle all of that. You know, people are the thing. That was the whole process. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And the question we're getting asked all the time right now, I think, I think everyone gets asked this question, but I think especially because people know what work I do, they're like.
Are you gonna find out? Yeah. Mm-hmm. Do you wanna know? Do you not wanna know? Mm-hmm. Um, and we've decided we're not interested in that information. And it's always interesting to tell medical providers that, and they're like, oh, wow. Like, and they, what? I had check the box of like, huh? Mm-hmm.
Hmm. My gosh. That's so brave of, of you. My gosh.
I, so our experience was, 'cause we're just on the other side of this. Our kid is turning one in a few weeks, which, how did that happen? I was just gonna say, I'm sorry.
What?
Yeah. But going through that process, every time we went for an appointment and they would ask. Do you want to know the gender? I had to hold my tongue and like, I, I dunno, I'm a southern queer, I'm not, my nervous system is not set up for regular confrontation with authority.
So it was never an actual risk that I was gonna say. You mean genitals, you mean external genitalia, not gender. Um, yeah. I'm not girl, but every time. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for your service. We need somebody to do it, but it's just, it's so interesting when you really step back and think about how much the binary and these social constructs of gender that's, you hear social construct over and over and over again.
Yeah. But you really don't understand how deep it goes. Mm-hmm. And how much is the air we breathe until you really think through that process of becoming a parent and having a kid.
Yeah. And when I get called in for my appointments and they're like, Hey mama do you wanna have dad in the room? And I'm like, I mean, yeah.
But like he can come home. Yeah. But like, you don't know that those are our parental roles or names or how we got to this place or you know, even in the fertility, some of the training videos, like how to do Yeah. Various steps. Like the, the cartoons of women were like, they were all pear shaped and wearing heels.
Heels. I was like, this is fascinating. In no point in my fertility journey have I felt the need to wear heels. Nor was there representation of families that looked any different than heterosexual couples. Yeah. It's, it's been wild. And it's funny how many people are like, wow, you're just like, I'm just such a planner, so I need to know.
And really like sitting with that, like then pushing back on that question and being like, what are you planning for? Yeah. Because like I'm also gonna get diapers and I'm gonna get a crib and like mm-hmm. Do the things that you need to make sure that like there's a, yeah. Basic needs are met, but like, do you need to know gender things?
I don't think you do, because we never will. Right. We, we may know sex things, we may know gen, we know genitals. Mm-hmm. Right. But either way, those genitals go in the same onesies.
Mm-hmm. Same onesies.
Yep.
They can't even see color.
Nope.
For the first little bit, just black and white.
Right.
You can do whatever you'd like.
Yeah. There is that piece to it. And it's interesting as I was actually, it wasn't until we, it wasn't until we were expecting a child that I actually understood a little bit of what was going on for some folks. Mm-hmm. With gender reveal parties, because Yeah. I'm sure you've experienced this, this nine months of waiting.
You just wanna know something.
Yeah.
Right. Yeah. You wanna know something about this little tiny roommate that you're inviting into your home for the rest of, you know, at least the next 18 years. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe the rest of your life. So I can appreciate just the desire for some signifier.
Yes.
Right.
And I absolutely, I think we can own that and be able to say, yes, I wish that I knew this thing, but stepping back, that actually doesn't tell me what I think it's gonna tell me.
Right, right. And I think the more I've done this work, the more I realize that it's the narratives that parents build based on that little sliver of information that have ultimately caused them more heartache down the road.
Yeah. Because they've created, say more about that. Like they've created a story about the child who they believe is on their way. Um, right. And then it's, the grief that we so often hear parents talk about is really the, the making peace with the fact that the, the story they created, this person they imagined the future they imagined isn't going to be that.
Right. And so if I don't allow myself to imagine a gendered future
mm-hmm.
Do I reduce the risk of that potential feeling fest later?
Yeah. Feeling fest, like, thank you. It's a good de-pathologized way to describe it, but yeah, it is, it can definitely be a feelings fest to let go of that story and realize that it was a story.
Right. Yeah. And you know, I'd like to believe that because I've spent as many years steeped in the work that I do, I'm not gonna feel as. Wed to, or deeply connected to Uhhuh, my child's sex. Or, the gender, they end up, aligning with Uhhuh. And I know I'm still human. Yeah. And the world is still very gendered.
Mm-hmm. Um, and I've had some wonderful conversations with queer and trans colleagues who've had children who mm-hmm. Were able to admit that they were like, when we found out I was shocked, but I felt sad or I had a reaction mm-hmm. Because I wanted, you know, I, I didn't wanna admit that I wanted a girl or I wanted like Yeah.
That I do have some affinity towards or some mm-hmm. Like desire for something in particular. Yeah. 'cause we all wanna be like, above that in some way. Mm-hmm. Um, and I think there needs to be an acknowledgement that, that like we're still people.
Yeah. There is.
You know what's interesting, and this is the last thing I'll probably say about this before moving on.
I do think it could be helpful for, for listeners though. So we did a similar thing through the pregnancy. We didn't want to know, we didn't want that to influence any decisions we were gonna make about everything. But then
the baby shower had happened, we were about four weeks out from delivery. Mm-hmm.
There wasn't gonna be much more influence happening, and I suddenly had the thought, I don't want to find out that information at the same time as my child is being born. Mm. 'cause the thing that cis folks do not think about when it comes to gender is that when you're born, that's the first thing that happens to you.
Is they assign, a gender to you? Yes. And I didn't want to have that moment of my kid coming into the world
to
also have that moment with it.
Interesting. Yeah.
Yeah. So we found out a few weeks before and just kept it to ourselves.
Oh, thank you for sharing that with me.
Yeah. Because I thought it might be, I don't know what will feel right to y'all, but I know we think about this similarly enough mm-hmm.
That you might find that moment feeling loaded in the same way.
Yeah. That I, yeah, I appreciate that. That's. I'm gonna, I'm gonna sit with that. Yeah. Um, 'cause of course, right? Like, you want that to just be the moment of like, oh my goodness, you're here. Like, yeah, we did the thing, you're here. Look who's
here.
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Um, yeah. And like, as the birthing parent, I feel like there's gonna be a lot going on for me in that moment. Um
mm-hmm. Yeah.
So that's interesting. I, I, yeah. The idea of waiting until after the shower and after the, you know mm-hmm. Decorating of the cur, because that was the point,
right. That was the whole point of it, was that it wouldn't influence or allow a lot of time for projection of stories.
'cause by the time you're at like end stages, you're thinking about the delivery day, right? You're like, okay, do we have everything right? Are we in the classes? Mm-hmm. When's the doula coming over? If you have a doula? Mm-hmm. Like all of that. So, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. In case that's helpful. Cool. That is
helpful.
Alright. So yeah, clearly like becoming a parent and going through this process, I'm sure we'll just deepen the work in ways that are really cool to see.
I
hope so.
Yeah. I.
Well, tell me about this. 'cause I've been listening to a lot of different things in the past few years, consuming a lot of information about all the misinformation that's out there and you know, just trying to find good sources for parents that I work with, clinicians that I work with.
And I'm curious how useful the concept of a moral panic feels to you. Mm-hmm. Because in many ways, concern about trans youth feels like the moral panic of our age, right? Mm-hmm. It used to be rock and roll tv, video games. Mm-hmm. And I do think social media is a moral panic that's kind of running concurrent with Yes.
Gender ideology, quote unquote, big air quotes. And so what do you think about the utility of that as a construct in clinical work versus in more of a public sphere? I'm just curious your take
on Yeah. That topic. Yeah. I appreciate this question. I think in many ways. It's complicated, right? Yeah. I think there is a moral panic.
Yes. Right? Mm-hmm. And that term can sound dismissive in some ways, like mm-hmm. Fears are real, um, or they feel real to people. Mm-hmm. Um, and panic fills in the gap where understanding is missing. but like with past panics, like you listed it, it really gets cast as this threat to social order. when in fact the real threat is, is fear itself. Mm-hmm. Um, or, the, the dismantling of patriarchal structures. Yeah. Um, not the kids, right. It's never been about the kids. Right. It's never been about protecting women. It's never, you know, like Uhuh, we know these things. Yeah. So I think there is, there is certainly, uh, a moral panic at play.
and then I think. How that becomes useful is how we deal with what's underneath it. Mm-hmm. Can we then see this fear as an opportunity for Yeah. More information. Accurate information. Mm-hmm. Um, and, and I think educating people about some of the things that, you and I know because of our work, but the general public who's exposed to misinformation doesn't know, like they would be afraid if they think they send their second grader to school and they're going to have some kind of surgery Yes.
During their school day. Yes. That's objectively
terrifying information.
Right. However, we know that's never happened. Yes. And it never will.
Mm-hmm.
But scary if you don't know. Right. Yeah. Or scary if you think, you know, we're giving kids these experimental drugs of puberty blockers when in fact we know that these meds have been around for a long time and they've been used to treat cisgender children for a long, long time.
Yes. and they're part of all kinds of other medical treatments, many of which plenty of cis folks around the moral panic have all taken themselves or experienced themselves. Right. Um, but when it's framed as something that is harmful to children, that's when we see this and it works. Right. I mean, there is nothing more motivating, I think, then harm being done to children.
Absolutely. Like that's something we can all agree on, no matter our ideology or our background or our belief system, like
mm-hmm.
Generally speaking, yeah. We, we can agree that children are, we wanna keep them safe. And so if something feels like a threat to them, that's gonna motivate folks.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. A lot of layers to it. So many, I think as, as you were talking about it, 'cause I agree and that's why I asked the question about moral panic. 'cause I think in a public sphere it's a useful construct to name 'cause that is part of what's happening. Yes. A very shrewdly leveraged and calculated more panic quite.
Mm-hmm. Um mm-hmm. But I think also if I were a parent, that would ring similarly hollow to me as, or not hollow, but it would ring similar to someone calling a woman. Hysterical. Yes. Right. It's very invalidating. Mm-hmm. For the ways in which this is different than TV or video games, like we, we are talking about the potential for.
Medications. Mm-hmm. Some of which are completely reversible.
Mm-hmm.
Some of which are not. And also changes to the social structure of a family and of a child's future, and challenging of all those gender norms all at the same time. So there is something unique
about it, certainly
that I think is invalidating if you just label it as a
moral panic.
But it just, yeah, it feels, it just feels like a, like a tricky journey and being able to meet people where they are, but also bring them along Yes. To continue the journey. That's what I'm really curious about.
'cause I work with, thankfully, partially because of your involvement. I've got a couple of mentees in my program who are starting parent coaching.
Oh, great.
Yeah. Yeah. Who are starting to do some of that work. And I guess, I wonder are there any parents for whom this journey or this book
is not for, is there anybody who's beyond help?
I would like to believe that the answer is no. That we all have the potential to be better and to learn. I think the barrier is a willingness to try. And so there may be parents whose belief systems are so deeply entrenched, or their kind of social programming is, is so significant Yeah.
That they couldn't possibly show up for this work and hear some of what we have to say. Yeah. I wish that wasn't true. I wish it
wasn't true either. And you know, like you, I think I preferred to view that less as, as the people themselves, but certainly the monsters on the path.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm. That keeps them trapped.
Right.
They meet these monsters, they are trapped in that house and they cannot continue the journey. Yes. What would you hope they're able to receive? If it's not this offer, it's this offering through a book. If it's not these kinds of services, what do you hope they can have in their communities?
I think even just like any little nugget of information Yeah.
That could weasel its way in there and make them think, huh, maybe it's not so terrible for people to be who they are. Like, I don't have to understand everything, I don't have to agree, but I can make peace with other people existing Yeah. In, in the fullness of who they are while I do whatever I do over here.
and how we get to them is a really tough question. Right. And even in writing the book, I, I spent so many hours, probably way too many hours, you know, trying to reread chapters. As parents or people who mm-hmm. Wouldn't want to be reading it.
Mm-hmm.
To see like where is the point where, how can I push the envelope enough that an aha moment happens, but they don't put the book down and never open it again.
And it's a tough, like really tight rope to walk. Yeah.
Well, indifferent. It's such a subjective tight rope also. Exactly. That's right. That's a little bit of a losing battle. I can, I can see like, not hence the many hours everyone, but I think, and let me be one to say that I think that that means based on the climate that we're up against mm-hmm.
Which is probably similar to when you started writing the book, but the stakes are higher
Yes. Than they
were. I would like for this book, not to just be for parents of trans kids. Yes, me too. I would like this book to be for parents. For adults. Mm-hmm. For people who have that either that diehard MAGA person in your parent group.
Mm-hmm. Which no matter where you are in America, that that's gonna happen. Like we both live in very blue places, but even blue places are purple
Absolutely.
For all parents to have. 'cause I think the way that you talk and the way that you write, I haven't read the book, but I can imagine that you write in very accessible language and talking points that are clear mm-hmm.
That someone could take this information and then think about, okay, Charlie, that dad over there Yeah. Seems to say some really disrespectful things mm-hmm. About trans women in sports and I wonder what in here might apply to that. Yeah. While I'm just reading this for curiosity. Mm-hmm. In case my own kid shows up with this identity, or their friend does.
Right. Which we know is statistically going to happen. Yeah. Right. Like I talk to so many parents who are like, you know, well, it doesn't apply to us, but my child did come home and mention this kid in their class. I'm like, right, of course.
Mm-hmm.
Because as more and more kids are feeling safe to come out, we're gonna see this more and more.
And so even if you don't think it's your kid, which one shouldn't assume it's not gonna happen in your home Uhhuh, but you should be prepared to have that conversation just like you would if your child came home with a question about anything else. Yeah. So I really appreciate you saying that because, and I did have to narrow it down a little bit.
Initially when I was writing it, I, I wrote it more broadly and was like, I want to speak for educators and therapists and everyone. And my publisher was like, trying to please everybody stop doing that. Mm-hmm. So. But I do write in the, in the introduction that like when I talk about parents and caregivers, I mean everyone.
Yeah. Like I really just mean adults. Like if you care about kids at all, if you care about generational change, if you care about a future that looks different than the one we're living in right now, I hope you'll read this book.
